Saturday, April 7, 2012

Edward Waite not a Rosicrucian, acc to AMORC?


AMORC 12T Mon.3 page 1 Paragraph 1 (70's): Ralph M. Lewis wrote: (Removed from the new edition (after 1999), Mon. 2) 












I would like to open a discussion regarding the concept of an Adept and its required preparation in an esoteric school settings like the Rosicrucian orders, not only AMORC but other Rosicrucian schools or orders as well

Note: This is not a work of fiction but a deep research into the subject supported by many years of study and practices and directed to sincere students of the Rosicrucian Traditions. 

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Portuguese
 summary version:
"Em nossa última monografia mencionei o documento da Fama , relacionado ao Venerável Mestre Christian Rosenkreuz. Na página 65, da obra de Arthur Edward Waite, 'A História Real dos Rosacruzes', está contido o início da versão inglesa desse documento, do qual citarei apenas parte. Cito a versão de Waite, porque ele não é Rosacruz, mas, apenas estudante da história fraternal. Ao referir- me à sua versão da Fama ao invés de outras quaisquer, particulares ou Rosacruzes, posso melhor indicar os fatos que qualquer leitor atento da Fama poderia encontrar, chegando à verdade quanto à Christian Rosenkreuz se a lesse com maior atenção."

English version:
"In our last monograph mentioned the document Fama, related to the Worshipful Master Christian Rosenkreuz. At page 65, in the work of Arthur Edward Waite, the Real Story of the Rosicrucians, is ... in the beginning of the English version of this document, which I shall quote only part. I quote the Waite version because he is not a Rosicrucian, but just a student of fraternal Rosicrucian history. To refer to his version of the Fama rather than any other private or Rosicrucians, I can better indicate the facts that any attentive reader of Fama could find, reaching truth about the Christian Rosenkreuz if read with more attention." 

However, according to Wikipedia: 

"A.E. Waite joined the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn in January 1891 after being introduced by E.W. Berridge. He became a Freemason in 1901, and entered the Societas Rosicruciana in Anglia in 1902. The Golden Dawn was torn by further internal feuding until Waite's departure in 1914; later he formed the Fellowship of the Rosy Cross, not to be confused with the Societas Rosicruciana. 

Waite was a prolific author with many of his works being well received in academic circles. He wrote occult texts on subjects including divination, esotericism, Rosicrucianism, Freemasonry, and ceremonial magic, Kabbalism and alchemy; he also translated and reissued several important mystical and alchemical works. His works on the Holy Grail, influenced by his friendship with Arthur Machen, were particularly notable. A number of his volumes remain in print, The Book of Ceremonial Magic (1911), The Holy Kabbalah (1929), A New Encyclopedia of Freemasonry (1921), and his edited translation of Eliphas Levi's Transcendental Magic, its Doctrine and Ritual (1896) having seen reprints in recent years. "

My comments:

Didn't RML know about White's background when he wrote that monograph? How this is possible, as he mentioned that White's translation of the Fama was trustworthy? May be what he was trying to do was to avoid to mention the Order of the Golden Dawn? Possibly, as his father, HSL, mentioned it only once in 11Temple Degree,  monograph 9, page 2 (version published by AMORC to their students in the 70's) and somewhere else saying that the Golden Dawn was a very secretive order, still active, in the Soviet Union! So far, so close...

But what was the compelling reason that lead RML to drawn the student's attention away from the Golden Dawn? 

What's the reason for RML to dismiss a prominent figure in the Golden Dawn community at that time as "not a Rosicrucian but only a student of the fraternity's history" ?

Strategy to avoid competition? Or merely a way to avoid comparisons of G.D. elements in the AMORC teachings?

But anyway, why that? Why is so necessary to avoid any reference to the most influential school in the Western Tradition? Why the Golden Dawn wasn't even mentioned in the F.U.D.O.S.I. convention of 1934, when same of its initiatic bodies were still active? 



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Your comments will be appreciated. 


2 comments:

  1. RML was perhaps even more dismissive of ritual magic than his father. it is said that his stance was a proto-buddhist agnosticism.

    this is one reason he may have held the view he did.

    it's all a nonsense of course ... his father even started an order based on waite - the OMCE which is based entirely on waite's writings about the MCE in two of his books, to the extent of even repeating waite's mistakes about the MCE. there is substantial doubt that waite interpreted the existence of the MCE as an esoteric order correctly, but that didn't stop clymer or lewis from hastily concocting MCEs of their own.

    so while the public line may have been anti-waite, HSL and RML were happy enough to pilfer from his researches as anyone else.

    after all, even though waite was wrong a lot of the time, he knew a hell of a lot more about rosicrucianism than they did.

    the other reason is that waite was an at times reluctant member of a rival rosicrucian order, the SRIA, which AMORC wasn't keen on acknowledging.

    waite also established his own rosicrucian and martinist orders in the UK with better claims to authenticity than either AMORC or the TMO.

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  2. Also sorry about the delay on publishing your post (s). For a long time I was unable to access the posts waiting for my approval. Now everything is working fine.

    In Profound Peace & L.V.X.
    Fra. T.A.S.

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